|
Post by Ian on Jun 19, 2013 20:26:00 GMT
So, anyone interested in a mini-league for Saga?! I'm not 100% sure how it might run, so any ideas?! As a starter for 10, I've got a 6 point Viking force that I'd like to game with more! Cheers, Ian.
|
|
|
Post by jsgrant on Jun 19, 2013 23:36:05 GMT
I've got Vikings that I need to use, I can make the odd Thursday. Just need to follow the instructions etc to find the place.
John
|
|
|
Post by scrivs on Jun 20, 2013 7:22:05 GMT
I've got Vikings, Saxons and Normans.
To get people started we could start of at 4pt games, so players only need to paint at least 17 figures to join in. Then as players have more stuff painted we can graduate up to 6pt games.
Maybe make it 4pt games unless both players have 6pt forces painted then they can chose to play 6pts.
We could probably get a couple of games in per session.
|
|
|
Post by Ian on Jun 20, 2013 8:33:30 GMT
To get people started we could start of at 4pt games, so players only need to paint at least 17 figures to join in. Then as players have more stuff painted we can graduate up to 6pt games. I think that is a particularly good idea, mate. It might encourage more people to play who have yet to put together a force! Is it worth having some kind of a points system as in a league? I'm not too bothered, but I guess it can act as a motivator to get in games?! Maybe something like: Number of points worth of casualties divided by number of games, with a unit having to be reduced to under half-strength to count? For example, say you kill 5 out of a unit of 8 warriors, and 3 out of a unit of 4 hearthguard, then you score a point each (2 points in total). Your collective points are divided by the number of games you have played (to prevent anyone from just playing loads of games and getting to the top of the league!). Thoughts? As I say, I'm not too bothered about this myself, mainly because I typically end-up as the rearguard in such things anyway! Ian.
|
|
|
Post by scrivs on Jun 20, 2013 8:41:48 GMT
Maybe a league with 3 points for a win, 1 for a draw and 0 for a loss with the number of battle points scored as per the rulebook counting as 'goals'.
|
|
|
Post by nicksimmerson on Jun 20, 2013 17:16:54 GMT
I'm sure I'd be up for this too, although I can only see me getting down once or twice a month from Derby I run Vikings as well 6pts+, but happy to play them as any of the Viking 'variations', some of which might encourage me to paint some extra figures! I would probably steer clear of league points based on killing but staying alive, as SAGA is a notoriously 'bloody' game and usually difficult to pull off a win without heavy losses... I would also be selective over which scenarios we play as some of them are easily broken by certain factions and/or when played with a competitive spirit! Again happy to play at 4pts if it draws in more players
|
|
|
Post by philhale on Jun 20, 2013 19:48:04 GMT
I'd be up for this though would be capped at 4 pts as that's what I have painted and I'm too busy painting some bolt action stuff then FoW before getting back to Saga.
|
|
|
Post by Ian on Jun 21, 2013 10:13:02 GMT
This is looking very promising! I think that both Scrivs and Nick are right about the points scoring system - my idea might produce scores that are too variable for such a potentially bloody ruleset! But I would suggest that on any results table an individuals overall score is recorded, but their position is indicated by their average score (i.e., overall score divided by number of games played), in order to prevent someone from just playing loads of games and being immovable from the top of the board! That way people can play pick-up games when they can, and the "Leaderboard" can be updated for each game. I can't help but get my stats head on - it's like work! It looks like 4 pt games would draw in more players, although I guess the odd 6 pt game would also work with the above system if both players were up for it? Both 4pt and 6pt games would results in a 3/1/0 result? Ian.
|
|
|
Post by nicksimmerson on Jun 21, 2013 10:44:37 GMT
I agree we should have a 'goal difference' of some sort, however do bear in mind that if you allow both 4pt & 6pt games that the potential for scoring such 'victory points' will change also?
I might also suggest 3/2/1 for results, as it:-
1)rewards players for having a go, even if they don't win very often (nobody like staying on 'nil points') 2)stops someone winning a few games and running away with it 3)draws are pretty rare in SAGA I think, so it would be a lot of 3-0's?
but maybe I misunderstood your 'average' suggestion?
|
|
|
Post by Ian on Jun 21, 2013 13:26:12 GMT
Not a bad suggestion, Nick. Consistently dividing with zero points would be depressing after a while (I'm thinking of myself!) What do others think? Ian.
|
|
|
Post by nicksimmerson on Jun 21, 2013 14:22:35 GMT
oh and I forgot to say that I'm not overly bothered about the league results as such, just getting some games of SAGA with new oppos... I will of course be 'trying' to win, but a good game of Dark Ages carnage is far more important
|
|
|
Post by mog on Jun 22, 2013 10:57:42 GMT
I'm up for this. Can do Anglo-Danish and/or Viking p to 6 points. Don't mind how the points thing works, some good ideas.. KISS I say.. (I like the fact that 1 point is the minimum.. could even go old euro currency and say 3000 for a win, 2000 for a draw and 1000 for a lose!)
Another thought - do you want to restrict the armies to the main rulebook - or allow any supplement? AND - I've never used any of the special characters (Heroes?) - best to leave them out or do want to include them too?
Right, need to grow the beard..
|
|
|
Post by nicksimmerson on Jun 22, 2013 12:05:47 GMT
mog - I quite like the idea of restricting factions to just the 4 in the main rulebook (even though I have all the supplements and keen to use them) as it makes it much simpler for everyone, especially new players? It also means everyone has access to all the rules and battleboards being used, and less 'nasty' surprises... and of course anyone buying in from scratch would only need to buy the main book. However this does mean Phil can't use his Jomsvikings from Northern Fury, although they could easily be pushed into service as 'regular' Vikings if Phil was happy to do that? I've not used 'Heroes' or 'Swords for Hire' properly myself yet, although I know they can skew the game somewhat - on the other hand they do make 4pt warbands even smaller, so it is a risky strategy using them?
|
|
|
Post by jdw12 on Jun 26, 2013 16:02:05 GMT
Ok, i have Anglo-Danes
How long do you see the League lasting? I'm willing to give it a go but don't want to be playing SAGA every week for the foreseeable.
James W
|
|
|
Post by Ian on Jun 26, 2013 16:55:12 GMT
Not sure James. Personally, I saw it as a long running thing, but not necessarily a continuous thing. With the use of the average scores as the ranking, the league table could just be updated whenever anyone has a game, and playing more games than others wouldn't necessarily confer any advantage. I agree though. I enjoy SAGA, but I wouldn't want to be playing it all of the time! Ian.
|
|